little metal doo-hickeys

topic posted Sat, October 13, 2007 - 6:38 PM by  banshee
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hey! so i gots a question.
i'm making me a new meteor, as my other one was so beaten up that it got tired and turned into a dart...heh.
so this new one i'm making is gonna be two monkey fists(with four "fingers" each side...so it's gonna be big).
my last design had kevlar rope for the rope in the middle.
but i don't have those kinds of funds right now, especially with more of my rope going to hoops.
so i'm going to put chain between the monkey fists.

my problem is that i need to attach the knots to the rope in a secure fashion the will use minimal rope.
i was thinking ideally of using metal clips.
i don't know what they are really called but they cinch the rope against itself and are tight enough to keep it there.
however i think i would need special equipment to do this.

so does anyone have any ideas as to how to attach a monkey fist to a chain via quick link?

what about sewing with kevlar thread? i worry whether it would be strong enough....

any ideas?
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banshee
North Carolina
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  • Re: little metal doo-hickeys

    Sat, October 13, 2007 - 7:38 PM
    ???

    Sorry if I'm not fully understanding, but you don't need anything special. Just wrap the monkey fist around a wooden core with an eye bolt and connect the quick link directly to the eye bolt. A solid monkey fist will be secure enough not to need any sewing or gluing or anything. I tighten my eye bolts down far enough that they just barely crest the rope so there's a minimal exposure.

    I hope that helps.

    Sheesh, a full kevlar rope meteor?? sounds expensive as all hell and too fragile for my liking (that is, I'd expect one of the heads to go flying off at a most inconvenient time).

    Peace,
    - Sui
    • Re: little metal doo-hickeys

      Mon, October 15, 2007 - 2:21 PM
      hm, that's an idea, i hadn't thought of putting augmented poi heads on...

      but the idea of the full rope meteor was to recreate the flow of rope, with fire. and the monkey fists were attached on two sides, as a safety precaution.

      when you make your heads, do you put anything thing like ducting tape on the wood to preserve it? or does that problem not present itself?
  • Re: little metal doo-hickeys

    Fri, October 19, 2007 - 12:02 AM
    The monkeyfists over a wooden ball or bead with an eyebolt through it (better than just a screw-eye) and a well-bashed nut on the bottom end, will be fine. The knot will cover everything but the eye. You'll need to experiment with the thickness of the rope and the size of the ball. It may take five fingers to make it cover the ball, or a 5/4/4 or 5/5/4 MF.

    I found that it takes me about 5 feet of 3/8" rope to cover a 1.75" ball with a 4-finger MF. (Best to start with at least 10' and tighten the knot slowly.) Much depends on how squishy and stretchy the rope is, and whether you're using a fid to tighten the knot, or just finger-stength. The end result is an approx. 3" diameter MF.

    Then, just before the last tightening of the knot, squeeze as much Elmer's white glue into the knot, next to the wooden ball, as you possibly can. More is better. The glue dries clear, and just gets harder the more it's burned, and it won't clog up the kevlar.

    If you don't mind twisty-jerkies you can just carabiner the MFs to a chain. There's no swivel in that set-up, and you'll notice it. It will also put quite a bit of torsion on the carabiner and the chain links, so metal failure may be an issue.
    • Re: little metal doo-hickeys

      Fri, October 19, 2007 - 10:30 AM
      Perhaps the doo-hickeys youre referring to are quicklinks?
      • Re: little metal doo-hickeys

        Fri, October 19, 2007 - 1:34 PM
        "i don't know what they are really called but they cinch the rope against itself and are tight enough to keep it there. "

        According to that, I don't think she was talking about quicklinks.. sounds like clasps. However, I'm in agreement with Eric's description, though I use quicklinks rather than carbiner. Though, I don't really mess with fire meteor yet, cause I don't have a core setup I fully like yet, so I'll just leave it at that.

        Peace,
        - Sui
        • Re: little metal doo-hickeys

          Sun, October 21, 2007 - 7:08 AM
          well, i went with what sui suggested (and thank you again, i hadn't thought of it at all) .
          i made it will a wooden sphere which a covereed in alot of ducting tape, and put that monkey fist around with alot of wood glue (eric, i find that typically the wood glue is a little stronger than elmer's).
          but now i'm thinking that eric's idea for a eyebolt with a glued end would be a much better idea than the screwbolt.
          cause these babies are HEAVY.
          now i just need some chain with a a high weight rating but less weight, apparently something that home depot has never heard of.

          i was not talking about

          quicklinks. but now, due to the lovely people here on this tribe, i've made a meteor in a way i thought i wouldn't!

          so mucho thanks you guys.

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