Message communication between Jared and I:

msg 1

CrazyGir wrote:

> heya!
>
> I came across your awesome info (and photo) of
> your new meteor two summers ago. You mentioned
> sleeves and various other parts from mcmaster
> carr. I'd love to investigate this more.. how
> did these items end up working for you? do you
> have any other information you can share? I love
> the challenges meteor presents, and I think this
> fire toy in particular, asks for a higher level
> of design and engineering! ..so I'm interested
> in how things worked out
>
> cheers!
> : D

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msg 2

I have not spun meteor let alone built one in quite some time. I can tell you the first point to be destroyed on the meteor i made was not the points protected by the fire proof shielding but from physical scraping ware on the two very ends of the meteor (I.E. the outer points on the monkey fists)

Do you have specific questions or are you just looking for a complete how to?

I sadly to not know the mcmaster car part IDs but I can tell you that my frist meteor what a single solid peace of kevlar rope with two monkey fists tied on each end. simple as that. That failed because the point where the rope meets the monkey fists received more fire then it could handle and after a long time it broke down and frayed apart.

To solve this in version too I used the same half inch kevlar rope with a kevlar core, not a fiberglass core (i beleive this as a chinese kevlar knockoff as apposed to dubonts patented kevlar product) and replaced the inner most core with threaded steal cable for obvious safty.

Then i used a nomex cover on the entire inner length the inner rope section to reduce on ware both on the rope and my hands. I also used a product from McMaster car that was designed to protect pressurized cables from molten metal splash. it was dark orange with a fiberglass inner layer (good luck finding this).

this design like said worked like a charm with no sign of ware and tare beyond kevlars normal depredation.

let me know if you need any more clarification

Jared

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msg 3

>
> Jared S wrote:
> > I have not spun meteor let alone built one in
> > quite some time.
>
> awww.. sorry to hear ;)
> hope things are going well, regardless..
>
> > I can tell you the first point
> > to be destroyed on the meteor i made was not
> the
> > points protected by the fire proof shielding
> but
> > from physical scraping ware on the two very
> ends
> > of the meteor (I.E. the outer points on the
> > monkey fists)
>
> good to know, I hadn't thought of it, but it
> certainly makes sense.. and helps to rate the
> various wear-and-tear points for this tool.
>
> > Do you have specific questions or are you just
> > looking for a complete how to?
>
> I apologize for the lack of structure in my last
> message.. I was a bit all over the place -
> thinking of too many construction concepts at
> once - and I also hadn't really realized the
> date of your posts, until almost finished with
> the message.
>
> Complete how-tos are nice, but from my
> perspective as an engineer and diy guy.. they're
> simply sets of information to take bits and
> pieces from, unless you find someone with
> *exactly* the same desires and constraints as
> yourself.
>
> regardless, info and experience is *greatly*
> appreciated though.
>
>
> so some questions:
> . I'm intrigued by the nomex cover idea.. was
> this listed under a different name, or should I
> be searching for nomex covers? I haven't had the
> chance to look yet.. was it stretchy? did it
> slid around at all? how did you decide on size?
>
> . any experience with implementing chain <--
> > rope attachments, similar to rope dart? I've
> temporarily decided detachable wicks, with chain
> to separate them, would probably work best for
> me..
>
> . why do so many people use kevlar rope for
> their handles? is it the single-piece concept? I
> don't have dart experience, so I've no opinion
> or interactions with the various rope options,
> and thus, have no idea what I'd like to use, but
> kevlar seems like an odd choice in some regards.
> what are the pros/cons as you've experienced?
>
>
> > I sadly to not know the mcmaster car part IDs
> > but I can tell you that my frist meteor what a
> > single solid peace of kevlar rope with two
> > monkey fists tied on each end. simple as that.
> > That failed because the point where the rope
> > meets the monkey fists received more fire then
> > it could handle and after a long time it broke
> > down and frayed apart.
>
> an interesting point I hadn't considered.. a
> scary one too (that breaking point..) this is
> why I think a chain separator is my best option,
> despite the other implications it creates (like
> more pain for me, when I fuck up..)
>
> > To solve this in version too I used the same
> > half inch kevlar rope with a kevlar core, not a
> > fiberglass core (i beleive this as a chinese
> > kevlar knockoff as apposed to dubonts patented
> > kevlar product) and replaced the inner most
> core
> > with threaded steal cable for obvious safty.
>
> totally awesome idea.
>
> > Then i used a nomex cover on the entire inner
> > length the inner rope section to reduce on ware
> > both on the rope and my hands. I also used a
> > product from McMaster car that was designed to
> > protect pressurized cables from molten metal
> > splash. it was dark orange with a fiberglass
> > inner layer (good luck finding this).
>
> heh.. I don't yet know if I'll add this in, but
> the concept is an important one. I might use
> something to cover the chains.. for my own
> physical benefit that is..
>
> > this design like said worked like a charm with
> > no sign of ware and tare beyond kevlars normal
> > depredation.
>
> I like it, with the exception that you're
> screwed when the wicks wear out. I do
> performance, and during the summer, sometimes
> burn 4+ nights a week..
>
> > let me know if you need any more clarification
>
> nope.. nope.. thank you so much for your input!!
> I'll certainly let you all know how the project
> continues..
>
> ~J

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msg 4

lets do this. It my pleasure to answer your questions. its exciting to help someone build a new meteor but I would like this to be published so if you could please copy and past our current conversation into a post in either the santa rosa fire or the meteor tribe and then message me so i can do there and respond.


hope thats ok,

thanks
Jared