http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#7e2ba631-e551-4f4e-aa61-1b8002e7f83d so this is late... i just joined the tribe. you might need to make new handles for this, but you could keep your counterweight this way at least. not sure how well it would work, but it seems to work theoretically, to me anyways. think of those slotted things you use to hang things on walls (like most power strips have on the back). you could do the same with your handles. as long as one handle had a wide end, a knot or steel ball or something, and the other handle had a notch/hook cut in it that allowed the chain/rope through but not the knot... it should hold securely enough for your needs, and it would be quick to tie together. if it wasnt secure enough a lock could probably be put over the open part of the hook (think a slider or similar). there might be a little bit of a lump in the middle, but it shouldnt be too bad with a little work. alternately two hooks alone would work, though that would definetly need a locking mechanism. also, im not sure what the real name of these things, but livestock handlers use these snaps that easily and quickly disengage. they put them on the lead ropes to the animal can be released quickly if it gets caught up in the ropes. if you could find some of those, you could at least detach your meteor into poi easily, thought putting them back together wouldnt be very smooth. Thu, 15 May 2008 00:18:31 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#7e2ba631-e551-4f4e-aa61-1b8002e7f83d Træ 2008-05-15T00:18:31Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#22d750db-205a-4a58-a4d2-8a6446e288bb Magnets are a bad idea for a few reasons. 1. Accidental seperation via centrifical force while doing contact moves = burning audience member. 2. If your not careful and you get tangled your chain could become one big lump next to an undetermined amount of fire. 3. The stronger an earth magnet is the more brittle it's structure becomes. I.E. you *will* break them *often* My suggestion is to get two of these guys http://www.rei.com/product/471041 and get used to using them as your handles. Then get used to hooking and unhooking them as fast as possible. Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:37:11 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#22d750db-205a-4a58-a4d2-8a6446e288bb S1R 2008-02-10T00:37:11Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#1c985081-2468-4668-b23a-a481cc9a23b0 very strong magnets. just make sure you are stronger than the magnets, and the magnets are stronger than the tension in the rope while you're spinning. Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:48:27 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#1c985081-2468-4668-b23a-a481cc9a23b0 lucy 2008-01-20T23:48:27Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#c41afd1f-06a7-4483-8200-94a83fda8aa9 I don't know how much real stress these can handle. I know I've yanked mine out of my purse a million times and it's still together, but if you're putting fire on it i'd test it a bunch... http://www.google.com/products?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=g1f&resnum=0&q=keychain+separators&um=1&ie=UTF-8 Those are pretty easy and can be done with one hand. Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:42:27 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#c41afd1f-06a7-4483-8200-94a83fda8aa9 ammre 2008-01-20T19:42:27Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#617a5d60-494a-484c-9fc3-7d0fbd5a8c4b I used to make and sell a snap-link poi / meteor system that allowed one to switch between poi and meteor formats. But I can't see anyone doing that with my converter/connector without stopping and taking the time to hook everything up nicely. Maybe you're dexterous enough to do it in mid-spin. The "converter" is a 3' or so length of .25" clear flexible tubing with a 1/16" aircraft cable running through it. The cable ended in aluminum hondas, snugged tightly to the ends of the tubing. A large brass snap-link with a swivel base was attached to each honda. The snaplink was large enough to hook onto most poi handles. The tubing stayed still in your hands while the cable inside it (and the snaplinks) rotated freely. This would kinda solve your problem, but wouldn't allow you to easily switch between poi and meteor without stopping. I have all the parts and tools, so I could still make one, but not in a hurry. I stopped selling them because the market went away from cable and to ball-chain, and I didn't really want to re-tool. =Eric www.foreworks.com Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:59:17 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#617a5d60-494a-484c-9fc3-7d0fbd5a8c4b =Eric 2007-10-11T05:59:17Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#1fef29f2-9d91-4ae7-9731-8a4545b2e419 i suppose w/ a little practice, this can all be accomplished rather easily and smoothly w/ a carabiner Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:04:39 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#1fef29f2-9d91-4ae7-9731-8a4545b2e419 skunk 2007-10-02T15:04:39Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#95926ed2-df53-49af-bcd6-4c7254f5f963 You really can't effectively treat anything with a large surface area. People use Nylon handles 'all the time', (even though I think that is just begging for a serious burn), and heavy velcro is made of Nylon Xytel (tm) if I remember correctly, so you could probably do it, but it'd be against my advice. Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:02:57 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#95926ed2-df53-49af-bcd6-4c7254f5f963 sam "problem solved" 2007-09-28T23:02:57Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#599be69e-6969-4e12-8dd7-82338365dc26 well i was thinking it can be fireproofed or fire retarded at least, and hopefully it wouldn't effect it's adhesion too much to spray it down. the question is not would it melt in the flame, but rather would it melt when fuel splashes on it... so not so much flame test as much as...dip or drip test. Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:11:41 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#599be69e-6969-4e12-8dd7-82338365dc26 skunk 2007-09-28T20:11:41Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#feabc634-5cd1-4ef5-8754-58a8d1cfb769 Industrial strength velcro is strong as hell. It's also plastic with an extremely large surface area. It will most certainly melt, and probably catch fire. I have some around here I could flame test if you want pictures, but I'm telling you, high surface area + flammable/melty material = disaster. Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:58:20 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#feabc634-5cd1-4ef5-8754-58a8d1cfb769 sam "problem solved" 2007-09-28T19:58:20Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#b53a10a0-d4df-4438-b531-ba5c78aceb27 industrial strength velcro would be MUCH stronger than clasp buttons. think surface area...i don't know much about affixing buttons to metal, either, but i could certainly think of a number of ways to do it. might be worth exploring. but again, velcro would be the easiest to put together while spinning and quite strong, if i didn't have a strong suspicion that fuel spillage would pretty rapidly degrade the structure. sam, care to elaborate? what the hell, you need a special invitation? don't make me get all 2nd grade teacher on ya... i watched some history channel special about sticky stuff last night. stealth rubber is the shit! but that would most certainly melt... Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:16:06 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#b53a10a0-d4df-4438-b531-ba5c78aceb27 skunk 2007-09-28T16:16:06Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#ea1970a5-0c26-45e1-9f89-542aea851ef6 Ummm if he's thinking about doing contact and throws i would advise agaisnt velcro, regardless if it melts. The only thing i can think of that would be strong enough to hold would be those clasp buttons, if you have a double loop handle fix one of these buttons to each loop. Dunno how practicle it would be to put together while spinning, but its the only good thing i can think of. Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:49:44 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#ea1970a5-0c26-45e1-9f89-542aea851ef6 poje 2007-09-28T14:49:44Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#dc588f61-60d2-4d0c-a403-b97f2b28d1c8 >does anybody know if velcro melts when it comes in contact w/ fuel like most plastics? *raises hand* ooh! I know Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:25:49 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#dc588f61-60d2-4d0c-a403-b97f2b28d1c8 sam "problem solved" 2007-09-28T04:25:49Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#c32cfba7-9beb-46c2-99cb-f5cd17b93e83 scott is a very good friend of mine, next time you see him holla at him for me. i regret that i only had a few minutes to talk to him at burning man this year... i've been begging him for years to put those crazy b-complex propellers he does on the net. jeezes, my poi aren't really attachable that way, had i thought of it sooner i mighta tried to make something that would clasp, but alas, i'm not always at my top thinking capacity. Andy's thing was pretty damn sweet for his poi, which were much lighter than mine. also he kinda just wraps chain around his hand so there's not much of a handle there when they're poi. i like the heavy counter weighted handle i have now, but a. the triangles won't attach on the fly easily and b. the connection there tends to be bulky, which i suppose is a little bit of a concern when you have a lump in center of your meteor. does anybody know if velcro melts when it comes in contact w/ fuel like most plastics? Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:40:55 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#c32cfba7-9beb-46c2-99cb-f5cd17b93e83 skunk 2007-09-28T02:40:55Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#ee8ff804-90af-46bf-a51d-72d4e5a46abb Skunk, I thought your pois were attachable already by the triangle thingy you devised. I remember Andy and he had those clip/press buttons (like kids jacket) on his handless. I've tried that myself but never been succesfull at doing something decent. Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:53:14 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#ee8ff804-90af-46bf-a51d-72d4e5a46abb Cubnic 2007-09-28T01:53:14Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#24e2a1bd-47dc-4816-bb11-7ab8d75199ac You ever ran across SJD aka Scott from Atlanta? He's been performing fire for ages, and has a really refreshingly different style. He also does a lot of poi-to-one-hand tricks. His poi are also hugely long in comparison to the West Coast standard, and have beefy chunks of rope at the ends for handles. By beefy, I mean 1/2 inch rope with knots along it to give a more slip-resistant handle. Scott would be the guy to talk to about this, he's here on tribe as SJD ( http://people.tribe.net/wallwizard ) and is really nice. He is also very open to meeting people, and lives in a really great community on the south side of ATL. short story: good guy. I am curious to see how he is doing, because he had fireperformer.com for the longest time, but that seems to have slipped to a domain real-estate agent. Bummer. Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:19:14 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#24e2a1bd-47dc-4816-bb11-7ab8d75199ac sam "problem solved" 2007-09-27T22:19:14Z http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#aba9e88e-75bc-4c08-a47b-eabf8d87e0ef Hi everybody, i have a question for yawlls. i was thinking, i could ask this same question in the poi forum, but i think there's way too many poseurs over there, unlike here in the true hardcoreness of meteor tribe. now that i've flattered your heegos maybe you'll think about my question. a couple years ago i was inspired by a man who came to the states from Deutchland to play for the summer, his name was andy house and some of y'alls here know and love him as i do. anyways, this man inspired me to steal a great many of his sweet, sexy and innovative poi moves, 1 dimension of which was to seamlessly grab the pois in 1 hand and do meteor style moves, a technique i've since mastered, although i'll never do anything as clean and pretty as andy... now i'm at a point where there is nothing i would love more than to be able to seamlessly be able to link/unlink my pois such that i could do meteor throws if i wanted to, or 1 handed rotors or contact stuff what have you, you get the idea. right now what i do is just grab both in 1 hand and hold them together. if i had something on my handles that could serve to easily yet securely link them up, and just as easily unlink, i could go from poi to meteor and back to poi to my heart's content in a single performance. now this idea is not new, and this very same andy who had already possessed a mastery back then that mere mortals could but dream uponst, had already been working on a solution and devised some sort of a loop and button system that allowed him to perform this very feat, to the shock and amazement of all who beheld it. personally, i can see how this is effective but i don't like the fact that basically it means there are no real handles on your poi. so i would like to hear some other ideas, if you gots any. personally i use heavy, custom made metal handles, so working w/ metal is definitely an option. I have a couple of ideas myself which i will draw up and post here at some later opportunity, but i'd like to see discussion stir up some other designs that could work for this - after all, yours might be cooler and smartier. one last point to stress is that this linking and unlinking has to be done WHILE spinning. that's kinda the whole point. if i have to stop spinning to link them up, a good 95% of the magic will quickly dissipate as i stand there, tying a knot in my chains... Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:58:48 GMT http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/3c85bcaa-1188-4356-95d4-0c9d7b39ed08#aba9e88e-75bc-4c08-a47b-eabf8d87e0ef skunk 2007-09-27T21:58:48Z