Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

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Hello, this is my first time posting in this forum so I figure I'd introduce myself. My name is Chris and I started playing with meteor about a month and a half ago and I gotta say I love it. Before picking up meteor I had been spinning poi for around 5 years and also play with staff, double staff, rope dart and just about anything that can be spun. As of late though I just can't seem to put the meteors down, I guess in a sense it's like a new challenging way to spin poi because in my mind they seem so similar, but thats not surprising seeming how all the spinning arts appear to just run together in my mind these days. Anyway onto the reason for this post.

First I was wondering if anyone has played with contact meteor or knows of any videos. Since the meteor has qualities that are similar to both poi and staff, I've been trying to incorporate contact moves inherent to those two props. So far I found I can wibble a meteor and have gotten a half steve to work once. There are also some other staff moves I do with meteor but don't know the name of them and some that are like a weird hybrid of poi and staff contact tricks.

Has anyone here played with anything like this? If so it would be great to hear your experiences or even just some ideas you might have because at the moment it's all just experimentation for me.

The other question is does anyone play with double meteor? And if so what kind of stuff do you play with? I imagine being able to do all sorts of crazy tangles and weird stall combos. Not to mention how cool off center grip stuff will look when doing double meteor. At the moment I have the fwd 2 beat weaves down but can't get the rev at all, a bunch of reels and can even do a hyperloop involving all four heads of the meteors. The possiblities are endless.

Once again if you have any thoughts or comments or know of any videos of double meteor I would love to hear them.

Thanks for reading and hopefully I'll get some good feedback from this post. Unfortunately I probably won't get online again for a few more days at the earliest so if I don't respond in a timely manner I apologize in advance. Have a wonderful weekend!

-Chris "Rovo" Bailey
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  • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

    Sat, February 2, 2008 - 10:04 AM
    I don't do much contact staff, but what I've experienced is that contact meteor and contact staff are worlds apart. Most contact staff moves depend on the rigidity of the staff, while meteor is entirely flexible (unless moving at high speeds).

    I'd like very much to see what you can do with double meteor at Wildfire.
  • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

    Thu, February 7, 2008 - 12:46 PM
    Hey Chris,

    Good to see you on here. There's been a bit of discussion on contact meteor here, check the previous threads. As for a video, contact meteor videos are sadly in short supply. I have the next month free, I was actually going to try and put together a video of assorted and foundation contact meteor moves. There anything in particular you're wondering about?
    • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

      Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:09 PM
      about time musashii!!! I've been waiting for a meteor vid from you for over a year now.. sheesh :P

      Peace,
      - Sui
      • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

        Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:13 PM
        thanks, yeh I've been muslackii on videos this past year.. Just watched your vid too, got the foundation stuff down yeh? Good stuff, esp that contact leg trick, wft was that?
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          Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

          Sat, February 9, 2008 - 12:04 PM
          Hey musashi, I really didn't have a particular question in mind, I was just looking for some ideas and some other peoples experiences about what works for them. If I had to ask a question I guess it would be what contact staff moves do you find are easiest to cross over into contact meteor. Also do you do alot of contact moves that involve using off-center grips? How about have you any contact moves you would like to share?

          Have you ever mucked around with double meteor before? Any thoughts on that?

          Oh and will you be at Fire Drums? I'll be there for sure. (this question also goes for Sui as well) : )

          Let's start with those. hehe
          • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

            Mon, March 10, 2008 - 11:58 AM
            Hey Chris,

            Just got back from vacation, catching up here. I'd have to say the horizontal contact moves translate the easiest, I've yet to pull off any vertical contact moves that are a direct copy of their staff counterparts, besides fishtails. Most of the stuff I'm playing around with are variation of steves , halos, matrixes, and throws into contact(like a throw into a steve). For all of the fore mentioned moves/attempts off-center grips are really important, at least for me still. Not really too many more moves to share beyond what was written before, hopefully I'll have some newer stuff to show in the video, I may be able to shoot this weekend.

            Definitely at firedrums, wouldn't miss it :)
          • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

            Mon, March 10, 2008 - 12:01 PM
            Forgot the last question, not messed around w much double meteor, I'd hit up Andy of the Haus for that, he was doing some interesting stuff with short meteor and single poi combinations at one time as well. There's also the guy from Mutaytor, never caught his name, he's pretty good with doubles.
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              Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

              Mon, March 10, 2008 - 6:48 PM
              I'm glad to hear I'll be seeing you guys come May at Fire Drums. I definitely didn't spend enough time hanging out with other spinners at BM so I can't wait to spend a few days actually chillen with all the West Coast people I've yet to properly meet.

              Since I am not much of a contact staffer I'm having a bitch of a time trying to get my horizontal contact work. I just don't have much of a base core of knowledge to draw from since I almost never practice contact staffing. For the most part I am having loads of fun doing more poi based contact stuff with my meteor. When you apply the basic concepts of wibbling to the meteor there is just so much more you can do with it since the meteor is longer and evenly weighted. Instead of wibbling just the handle back and forth like you do with poi with the meteor you can wibble from one head to the other head, from one head to that same head, you can roll the meteor from end to end while putting a single rotation in the middle, when you throw in the other hand there is even more variations, and turning gets real interesting.

              As for double meteor I'm stuck a bit at the moment, I just cannot for the life of me seem to get the reverse weave 2 or 3 beat (i'm unsure of correct meteor terminology for even single meteor stuff) down at all. Though I figure if I keep practicing with them 15 to 20 minutes a day my control will increase enough to the point where I'll be able to start doing some more interesting stuff. I just see so much potential with double meteor. Anyway I'll be able to talk to Andy about it come May as well so I guess I can just wait until then.

              Sui if I get a chance I'll put a video out but right now I have no clue where I'd be able to borrow a camera from so the chances of that happening are slim.

              Thanks for getting back to me on this. Take care you guys,

              -Chris
              • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

                Tue, March 11, 2008 - 12:27 PM
                Def go with what you know, it will make for more interesting tricks to come back and show us eh? As far as the horizontal contact, Dmenza's vid shows some good stuff, from the basics on way up :) If you start with the neck roll that you see him doing, that's the best place to start. The trick I've found is the motion with meteor is closer to a hooping motion than if you were doing the same move with a staff. So try bobbing your head as if you were doing a neck roll with a hoop, it feels about the same. Seems like it's more work to keep the meteor from flying off than a staff. Would love to see what you mean by those wibbles, are you using a short meteor?
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                  Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

                  Wed, March 12, 2008 - 5:33 AM
                  I am using a meteor that is about as long as the distance from my chin to the floor. I would say somewheres around 5 feet, seeming how I am somewheres around 5' 10". If you do any wibbles with poi it's a pretty simple transaltion over to meteor. I wish I could explain it better but I think I just might be able to put a small video online sometime soon which would be much easier. My roommate just nought a MacBook and it has a little built in camera so if I can get that to film me clearly I can probably get some thing up next week sometime.

                  At the moment I am only doing crossovers with double meteor but I can see how being able to spin each side of the meteor without a crossover would be nice. Unfortunately I cannot seem to get this to work. Do you think the fact that I am using two longer meteors might make it more difficult? I am hoping to make 4 new practice meteors in the next day or so, two long two short, but I do have a question. What would you say is a good length for a short meteor. I dig the chin to floor length but am unsure what a good rule of thumb for something shorter might be. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

                  Oh and on a side note my flight to Fire Drums has been confirmed! So I will be there for sure!!!!!!! : )
              • Re: Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

                Tue, March 11, 2008 - 12:36 PM
                Just remembered, one move that seems to be the basis of alot of double meteor moves that Andy and the guy from Mutaytor, is spiining your meteor in one hand without a crossover. So in wall plane, if you're spinning one meteor in your left hand, your arm is straight out, and from the side it looks like you're spinning a weave. But each head is just spinning a continuous circle on either side of your hand

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