Ok, since I get paid to sit around and surf the internet, I'll bite. For the sake of full disclosure, I spin poi many degrees better than I do every other prop, (though I'm not too shabby with a staff) so I'm coming from poiist's perspective. Hopefully some staff-minded people will chime in.

1. I'm with squid, if a one-meteor move is identical to a poi or staff move, there need not be a distinction except maybe to say whether you have one hand on the meteor or two.

Maybe the modifier "meteor" could strictly refer to one-hand moves (Which are significantly different than two handed moves, since which side of the hand leads becomes relevant with one hand) and "poi" for two, since some of the unique aspects of. So a "meteor corkscrew" would be a corkscrew with a meteor in one hand, a "poi corkscrew" where you hold both hands on the meteor, and a "double meteor corkscrew". And then, well, in a real conversation, just make it clear that you're talking about using a meteor.

1h meteor vs. 2h meteor vs double meteor would work just as well and probably lead to less confusion (until people start making meteors with more than two heads.... ooooh...) . Just throwing this all out there cause ideas are fun.



2. Which leads to the double meteor, which is where it gets really hairy. On an intellectual level, I love Rev's degree theory.. However, in giving moves names, certain moves become difficult to give an easy label to. A convoluted label is not a good label, imo.

Take for example a poi forward 2bt weave with your right hand on top, done with the right hand on top. On the left side of your body, this is in a position of -1 twist. You can tell this because it is necessarily a mirror of the opposite side, yes? So look at the same weave on the right side of the body; if you add a degree of twist, you're in +2, which means you were in +1 before you twisted.

So what degree do you call a two beat weave? The best system I have come up with (which I only use with myself, so it's not a complete system) is to give two degrees for a weave, the highest reached on each side. A 2 beat weave is then -1,1. A three beat is 1,1. A 4bt is 2,1, 5bt is 2,2. Then I just moosh in the rest of Rev's terminology.

Degrees, to me, are a better system for describing what's going on than beats, especially since the notation doesn't change depending on where you do it, whereas with beats you have 5bt weaves but 4bt corkscrews for the exact same motion. Whether there's any wrapping going on or how you're moving your wrist is irrelevant as well.

However, beats are obviously easier to explain and use in conversation (which is what I've been demonstrating by this long ass post). So... how the heck do we describe double meteor weaves? If, as Chris has been finding, each individual meteor must make X number of beats to pull off a certain weave (3 individual swings to do a 3bt weave), then we can simple give it a beat name--for which I prefer a "3beat double weave"--because the variables (degree of twist and wrist twist) will never vary.

Summary: Degree of twist and wrist twist (the latter could probably be given a better name; hey staff people!) are helpful when explaining how a move is pulled off, but not in naming. Unless it's discovered that the 1:1 ratio of "poi beats" to "meteor beats" isn't true, the beat system is sufficient. If a wrap is done, or if one side of the hand is always leading, specify this ("pinky led 2h 2bt", "wrapped 1h 5bt")


...Ok, I'm done.