Tribe.net. Local Connections $item.owner.firstName http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#276287d7-3f77-4311-93fe-bbd00a760367 2008-07-05T13:37:09Z 2008-07-05T13:37:09Z

Update: my short meteors are working wonders for me although I might need to shorten them a tad more so I can do inside plane moves a little better. Also I have found that short meteors are wodnerful for wibbling.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-05T13:37:09Z $item.owner.firstName http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#6238c85b-9b5e-4182-9372-7d8f16da2089 2008-07-03T20:18:05Z 2008-07-03T20:18:05Z

Logan I agree, I think a shorter pair of meteors might help. In fact I'll probably make a shorter pair today. I have the materials and it looks like it's going to be rainy so I've not got much else to do. No worries Robert, it seems I don't have much to say about poi these days, so it's good to be discussing object manipulation of some form again. you know especially meteor since that and clubs are the main props I practice with as of late. Thinking about I've focused entirely on spinning props. Double staff, poi, rope dart, meteor, clubs and a bit of contact staff is all I really do these days. I haven't juggled contact or toss in ages it seems.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-03T20:18:05Z Radix http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#cc772367-1933-4190-9cd4-19ea381f5a2d 2008-07-03T19:36:22Z 2008-07-03T19:36:22Z

I've got a little meteor with big heavy ends that came into existence after I cut a pair of poi too short. It's body is about 3' long. I enjoy it, but I find the action to be a little too quick due to the shortness. I've never really more than played with meteor (Been more into contact staff, contact ball, vanilla juggling lately... basically things that aren't poi-esque) but this discussion has got me intrigued. If I ever get this order of rope in I plan on making 3.5' ish meteors and seeing if I can't jump into the breach. Thanks for getting this discussion going, Chris. ur teh rox0rz.

Radix 2008-07-03T19:36:22Z Logan http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#3e533ffe-a2ae-4042-8517-b55cc19f96d1 2008-07-01T15:00:06Z 2008-07-01T15:00:06Z

I'm going to try out shorter meteors for double, much like double staff is shorter than single staff. It'll let me do buzzsaw like actions to keep things less chaotic (or to recover when they do anyhow). My single meteor is a bit longer than I am tall, and I think its perfect for me.

Logan 2008-07-01T15:00:06Z $item.owner.firstName http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#f6af84b7-cd69-41c3-b87f-608afef2d220 2008-07-01T12:39:10Z 2008-07-01T12:39:10Z

I feel ya man, I started out practicing doubles meteor with two different weighted and slightly different lengthed meteors and it was a pain in the old butt. I ended up making a pair that were exactly the same and it helped a ton. Also what length do you guys use for meteor? Right now I use two meteors (or one of the two when doing single stuff) and they extend from my chin to the floor. Do you think that using shorter meteors would make things easier or more difficult?

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-01T12:39:10Z Logan http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#9a5e69cb-b7d9-4e10-8d96-62d89e992778 2008-07-01T12:35:47Z 2008-07-01T12:35:47Z

Tried it out last night, but I couldn't get it clean except for a few moments, nothing regular. I need to get proper tools! Two sets of sock poi tied together don't do so well =\

Logan 2008-07-01T12:35:47Z $item.owner.firstName http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#484f8709-9949-457b-b002-96f5972e285f 2008-07-01T12:04:36Z 2008-07-01T12:04:36Z

Thank you Logan and Robert for your responses. I have no one to bounce ideas off of so this has been a great help. After practicing soley this move last night I've come to a few conclusions. First off there is no way to do a 3 beat poi weave with 2 beat meteor weaves because to do a poi weave you need to add an extra beat to allow for the switching of hands. As soon as say the right hand leads to the left in a 2 beat it has to go immediately back because only one beat happens on either side. This would mean that the hand that started out leading stays leading. However I have found multiple ways to do a 3 beat poi weave with double meteor. You have to add in an extra beat somehow and here's how I figure you can do just that. First you can tangle the leading meteor for one twist and allow the trailing hand to crossover and take lead. Think how Nick Woolsey winds up the emteor on one side and unwinds it on the other. Same principle but with only one twist. The second way involves doing a thru-wrap on your wrist to allow for the trailing meteor to take the lead. This way works but due to the thru-wrapping the meteors speed up and slow down so it gets hard to control The third method and IMO the only way to cleanly do a 3 beat poi weave with meteor is by poi weaving 2 3-beat meteor weaves together. You can add in the wrist twist involed in the meteor 3 beat to add a beat instead of wrapping or tangling as in the two examples above. This gives you a clean 3 beat weave and in a way the simple elegance of needing 2 beats for the 2 beat and 3 for the 3 beat appeals to my sensiblities. After two hours of non-stop meteor practice regarding this move only, I have only been able to crossover a clean 3 beat double meteor weave one or two times until it goes crazy and I smack myself a bunch. (with 4 ends to worry about double meteor tends to make you it;s bitch sometimes) I can consistently replicate 1 or 2 crossovers though which is more then I could have done before. I will have this move down in the next couple of weeks though and after that I think a bunch of new doors into double meteor will be opened. To get the feel for the 3 beat meteor weave try weaving with poi but with the poi coming out the pinky side of the hands. You can do all moves in this fashion and it actually changes the appearence of some of them. Antispin flowers def look tighter when done using pinky led spinning. The reason the 3 beat double meteor weave feels so awkward is due to the fact that you are leading each crossover pinky led and that just doesn't feel right (probably due to all my poi spinning). By swinging poi pinky led I believe it gives you a good feel of what pinky led meteor stuff feels like and helps develope control of that side of your hand. It sure helped me feel out the correct way to weave the meteor even if I am yet to have the move down pat. I think I just said alot so any thoughts on the above? Logan and Robert reading your questions and thoughts last night really helped me focus my ideas so once again thank you and if you have anything else to add I would love to hear it. I do have another question which I will post in the forum though. How doy uo do a 5 beat (single) meteor weave. I want to know because if there is a relationship between 2 and 3 beat meteor weaves to poi weaves there must be a similar relationship between the 5 beat.

$item.owner.firstName 2008-07-01T12:04:36Z Radix http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#9585ff66-4ff9-460c-b233-af259d222021 2008-06-30T18:46:41Z 2008-06-30T18:46:41Z

"with poi, you never pinky lead in 3 beat weave, why should you with double meteor?" With poi, there is no such thing as side of the hand leading, because its a "one sided" prop. With meteor, since there are two ends, one can lead, and so it becomes relevant to think about. The interesting thing that occurs to me is that a poi 3-beat is really just an alternating of which hand is on top each time the poi switch sides. With a one handed meteor, a you add beats by twisting your wrist. So, if you're doing a double meteor weave... could the amount of twisting of the wrist be independent of the crossing of the arms? Could you do a 3 beat poi weave while doing either two or three beat meteor weave? Maybe only one of these is physically possible? Early morning thoughts, I still can't meteor for nuts with my left hand so it's all moot to me.

Radix 2008-06-30T18:46:41Z Logan http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#556822f3-3d13-4b64-8426-f93ffcd564b2 2008-06-30T17:48:35Z 2008-06-30T17:48:35Z

Makes brain go tingle tingle, and after a bit of thought, here's what I have: 3 beat weave isn't just three beats, its one on same side, and two on cross side. Doubling it ends with 2+4, not 3+3, for 6 passes total. Think about it, with poi, you never pinky lead in 3 beat weave, why should you with double meteor? I'll see if I can't work out theory into practice later tonight at spin jam.

Logan 2008-06-30T17:48:35Z $item.owner.firstName http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/thread/ecb802bd-2499-43d1-9c8f-daac81674436#95ec648e-a459-432c-99f2-924f26bbc7bc 2008-06-30T11:23:11Z 2008-06-30T11:23:11Z

Alright so I've become near obsessed with learning a proper 3 beat with double meteor. I think that I am on the right path and have had some minor success though the move still eludes me. I've had fwd 2 beats down for a while now but up until a few weeks ago I was not able to do a true 3 beat with single meteor and therein I believe lies the key. I think to do a 3 beat weave with double meteor you have to weave together to 3 beat single meteor weaves. This would mean when one hand crossees to the other side it's going to be pinky led and on the return it will switch back to thumb led. i.e. As the right hand crosses over to the left side (as in a 3 beat with poi) the right hand is leading with a pinky led 3 beat while the left is following with the thumb led portion of the 3 beat. Then the left immediately switches back to pinky led to cross over to the right while the right hand follows thumb. In my head this makes sense although I have only gotten the transition to work a handful of times. The timing is very tricky with this but once a comfortable flow is established this would be one heck of a beautiful move. I do wonder if maybe meteor, since there are 4 heads, makes doing a normal 3 beat with poi impossible and instead would need a more complicated hand/wrist/arm movement to get a similar effect. Although my intuition does tell me a traditional 3 beat weave should work. So if any of you out there in meteorland that are comfortable with pinky led 3 beat weaves with both hands would you be willing to have a whack at this to help me test my theory? It could be that it is just not possible to do but I really don't think anything is impossible especially in the spinning arts. If my description of what I mean isn't quite clear I'd be happy to elaborate. Even if the idea of double meteor spinning doesn't appeal to you do you feel that the theory is sound? I'd love to hear your thoughts. O' Happy Day! -Chris

$item.owner.firstName 2008-06-30T11:23:11Z