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Rotors

2010-01-02T23:07:49Z

I have been practicing with meteor for a few months now and for some reason I am having trouble picking up rotors. I think I may have spent too much time on weaving patterns early in my practice since my muscle memory seems locked into those motions somewhat. For instance, I can do a single-handed rotor for 5-6 rotations before I start to wind and go into a weave. For the life of me, I can't do a two-handed rotor. I have followed the advice of all the tutorials I can find: practice first with a staff. I have practiced with staff. Still no luck.

So, does anyone have any useful advice or better yet a tutorial they can direct me to? I know I have to practice more, but I feel like there is something I am doing that is fundamentally wrong.

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A discussion of Weaves

2009-12-28T03:13:11Z

So there hasn't been much activity on this tribe (or most tribes) lately, so here's a rather lengthy post I wrote discussing the different types of weaves that are possible while spinning a meteor. Comments, questions, and corrections would be greatly appreciated.

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Breakdown of Weaves w/ Single Meteor

Ever since I started playing with a meteor I was confounded by the fact that I could do a fwd thumb led 2 beat weave (figure of 8) just fine but whenever I went to do a rev thumb led 2 beat it never felt right. In fact it felt more like a 2 beat off set weave with poi. So in error I figured that that was just the way meteor worked instead of exploring further. The other day while practicing my fwd 3 beat weave, I decided to start messing around with doing all of the weaves known to me pinky led in both fwd and reverse to find new variations. After a bit of playing I started doing a pinky led 2 beat in reverse and "Voila!" a breakthrough was made. The equivalent in rev of the fwd thumb led 2 beat is a pinky led 2 beat. All along I never made the leap that when you switch direction you also need to change from either thumb to pinky led or vice versa. This new information/revelation was the key to allow me to map out all of the variations of weaves that are possible with a single meteor. It turned out that for either direction be it forward or reverse there is only one weave of equal degrees of twist for a given beat count (i.e. a 3 beat weave). Then on top of these basic equally twisted weaves, there are loads of offset weave variations to be explored as well. Here's a run through of these weave combinations starting with the equal weaves and moving on to offsets.

*Note: When I am counting the beats of these weaves I am counting from the top of the circles for one end of the meteor on both sides then adding the two sides together.

Equally Twisted Weaves

The Most Basic of Weaves

Fwd 2 beat Thumb led
Rev 2 beat Pinky led

I determined that these two weaves are the simplest weave pattern possible with a meteor. If you do a fwd pinky led two beat or a rev thumb led two beat they end up being offset and therefore lack the symmetry of the two weaves written above. In fact each direction has two basic 2 beat offset weaves which become an equally twisted 4 beat weave when combined, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Since these offset 2 beats are not equal in degrees of twist from one side to the other the only true 2 beat weaves with a meteor are the pair mentioned above.

The 3 beat Weave

Fwd 3 beat pinky thumb switch
Rev 3 beat thumb pinky switch

For either direction the side of the hand listed first determines which hand is crossing over to the opposite side of the body. So by the name "fwd 3 beat pinky thumb switch" I am saying that while spinning fwd with your right hand your pinky side will be crossing over to the left side (opposite) side of the body and then you will switch so the thumb led side will lead back over to the right side. By adding this switch between thumb side and pinky side you add an extra beat making this a 3 beat weave.

The 4 beat Weave

Fwd 4 beat pinky led
Rev 4 beat thumb led

There is only one equal 4 beat weave for a given direction. This is also where my old confusion came from as I thought that the rev 4 beat thumb led was the simplest equally twisted version of a rev weave. As mentioned earlier combining the two basic 2 beat offset weaves for a given direction makes a 4 beat.

The 5 Beat Weave

Fwd 5 beat thumb pinky switch (starts with a 3 beat pinky thumb switch)
Rev 5 beat pinky thumb switch (starts with a 3 beat thumb pinky switch)

Now it is possible to do 5 beat weaves with a meteor by adding a wrist twist or wrist wrap onto either side of your 3 beat weave. To do a fwd 5 beat start with a fwd 3 beat pinky thumb switched weave and add an extra twist of the wrist or a wrist wrap forcing the thumb to now lead over to the opposite side of the body and the pinky to lead back. By adding a twist on either side you now have a 5 beat weave.

6 , 7, and beyond Beat Weaves

Fwd 6 beat thumb led
Rev 6 beat pinky led

The 6 beat and the other higher beat weaves start getting into iffy territory for me. To do an equally twisted 6 beat you must do a wrist wrap on both sides of your body which makes me feel that maybe you are not truly weaving anymore. I know there is a semi wrist wrap in the 5 beat but it becomes much more pronounced in the 6 beat as one end of the meteor is wrapped fully around your wrist. Still this can come in handy and is easily broken down into multiple different offset weaves. The seven beat weave is made by adding a thumb pinky switch onto a 6 beat offset weave. You can also make higher beat weaves by adding more and more wrists wraps to a given side but remember the more you wrap up the more uneven the ends of the meteor become.

Offset Weaves

Now unlike the equal weaves all of the offset weaves have an unequal amount of twist when comparing one side of the body to the other. Pretty much if you take any of the equal weaves above and split them into smaller pieces you'll have an offset weave.

2 beat offsets

The offset 2 beats are quite numerous. As mentioned in the beginning the four basic 2 beat offsets are:

fwd 2 beat pinky led same side
fwd 2 beat pinky led opp side
rev 2 beat thumb led same side
rev 2 beat thumb led opp side

These are derived from the 2 equal 4 beat weaves. So by same side and opp side in the above descriptions I am referring to which segment of the corresponding 4 beat the 2 beat is derived from. For example the fwd 2 beat pinky led same side refers to the 2 beat that is made from the crossover from the same side of your body to the opposite side during a 4 beat. Also, if you break apart a fwd 3 beat weave you'll get a thumb led 2 beat and an offset same side pinky led 2 beat. To derive the other offset two beat from a 3 beat you need to do an offset three beat.

There are other 2 beat offsets but instead of mentioning them all try breaking the equal weaves apart at various points to create your own offset two beats. (There are some really fun 2 beat offsets that can be made from the 5 beat weave.)

3 beat Offsets

One way to derive the 3 beat offset weaves is to break apart the 5 beat weave while another is to add either a thumb pinky or a pinky thumb switch (depending on the direction and side of the body) to an offset 2 beat derived from a 5 beat.

Say you have a fwd 5 beat weave being spun in your right hand. When you add a wrist twist onto the opposite (left) side of the body and cross back to the same side (right) immediately do a thumb switch instead of unwinding and cross back over to the left untwist and re-twist then cross back over. If you count the beats on either side of this you will have a 3 beat weave except it will be offset because there is more twist on the opposite side of the body. You can make another off set by doing the same thing except working with the twist starting on the same side of the body though this offset 3 beat is much harder.

Other Offset Weaves and Why you should discover them

There are many other offset weaves besides the ones I've mentioned. Even though you can have the same amount of beats by doing the easier equal weaves you still want to learn all the offset weaves as well. There are some interesting properties that arise when turning the offsets and mixing and matching pieces of offset and normal weaves which will help build your overall control of the meteor. Now I also feel that as isolations, flowers, hybrids, cateyes and other plays on driving styles are investigated deeper with meteor these transitions between offsets and regular weaves will lead to interesting possibilities for manipulation and in some cases will be the only way to execute certain combinations. Even by just turning different kinds of weaves you get some cool effects.

In-swings, Polyrhythm, one beats and more

As a side note it is possible to do polyrhythmic weaves with a meteor as well as incorporating in-swings (I know opp led ones work) into your flow. I have not played with these all too much but here's what I have worked with. To do polyrhythm in a weave try doing two swings of the thumb led side of the meteor on the opposite side of your body when doing a fwd 2 beat thumb led 2 beat. In the time it takes the pinky side to swing around you can have completed two rotations and then lead back to the same side of your body with the thumb side. This can be done in all sorts of weave configurations so please experiment and report back. With in-swings you'll either need to us a shorter meteor or you can do a meteor shortening combo to make your longer meteor more manageable. As of a few moments ago I found a few different in-swing combos and some very interesting possibilities. I didn't discuss one beats earlier on in this paper because you do not weave them but I feel that they are very important (though hard to master) to add to your flow. I am not sure at the moment but I think that throwing in a one beat can be similar to doing a same led in-swing and at the least can add some interesting variety to your weaves.

In conclusion, I hope that this article will be useful to all the meteor people out there and will cause some new questions to be asked, boundaries to be pushed and open up new territory to be explored. Meteor play is such a fun skill to learn and though it takes some getting used to and is not as easily picked up as say poi or staff I do hope more people will begin to discover the joys of working with this wonderful prop.

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A place for meteor on Facebook

2009-11-08T19:22:06Z

It seems that many people are spending their time online away from tribe so I started a group for meteor on Facebook. It's called meteor aficionados and you should join if you are on facebook too! Here's a link though I don't know if it will work.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125790302776

Hope to see some of you there!

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New tribe for Montana Fire Artists

2009-10-08T19:06:01Z

http://tribes.tribe.net/montanafire

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Meteor Knot Video

2009-08-12T21:25:10Z

This is a short video I made after discovering a neat little move involving a knot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz9clxgGrbo

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Creating New Meteor. . . Technical Questions. . .

2009-08-11T21:14:21Z

Hey all, so I'm gearing up for Firedrums and i want to build myself a meteor as they look like a lot of fun. I do quite a bit of contact staff, and figure that a meteor will be a fun extension from that and will allow me to start exploring aspects of poi as well as rope dart (yay!)

As seems to be the problem for most people though, I'm trying to figure out how to keep the flaming head of fury attached to the rope and not fly off. . . . cause that'd be bad.

Anyone have any idea how much force the ends of the meteor will be putting on the components? I'm thinking of getting some 8mm static climbing rope, which should be plenty strong enough, to use as the rope. I'll put about 6 inches of chain in between the rope and the head, and i'm going to construct it so that i can use the same rope/chain part with both practice heads and real firey ones.

my concern though is whether ball bearing swivels (rated at 300 lbs http://tinyurl.com/as3yuk) and split rings (rated at 220lbs http://tinyurl.com/b3txhw) will be able to stand up to the force exerted on either end. . . am i worrying to much and these will stand up fine, or should i consider other components? any other thoughts or ideas for construction?

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Shortening your Meteor while Spinning

2009-08-07T12:57:42Z

Article #2

Methods to Shorten a Meteor

Sometimes it's fun to shorten your meteor during a spin session. By shrinking the size of the prop you not only change the visual effect of the toy dramatically but also open up different planes to explore that normally might not be accessible with a full length meteor. Here are a few different methods you can use to change the length of your meteor without breaking your flow.

One Handed Methods

Method #1

While spinning a figure of 8 (2 beat weave) as you cross over to the opposite side of your body wrap the thumb side of the meteor around your hand once and grab hold of it before crossing back over to the starting side. Now if you stop right here and keep weaving, the thumb side will be shorter then the pinky side and will feel much like a 3/4 length gripped weave feels. To shorten the pinky side, as you swing the meteor back to it's starting side begin to wrap the pinky end around your hand and then grab onto it when ti swings back to the proper position of a pinky grip. To exit this move release the held wrap that you wrapped second which in the above case was the pinky side. There are a few variations on this method based on which end of the meteor wraps first on which side.

Method #2

This time we will be tangling the meteor around itself until we reach the desired length and then grabbing hold of the knot. To begin do a 2 beat weave and instead of crossing the leading side of the meteor back over leave it spinning outside your hand so that the pinky side and thumb side begin to twist together at your hands. Allow this twist to keep growing until the meteor is as short as you want it, then grab hold of the knot and continue weaving. To exit this shortened grip you have to grab a hold of the meteor above or below the knot and allow it to come undone while weaving it.

Method #3

You can also shorten the meteor by doing a spiral wrap and catching both ends after they wrap around once. If you are leading into the spiral wrap with the thumb side grab a hold of both ends of the meteor after the pinky side has completed it's first wrap. This will shorten your meteor but it causes both ends to come out of one side of your hand making the meteor more difficult to control.

Two Handed Methods

All of these examples will be entered from a 2 handed grip of the meteor.

Method #1

Begin with two hands gripping the meteor so that each end is the length of a poi you can do a buzzsaw with. Start spinning in fwd on the outside of your hands as if you were spinning in the wheel plane with poi. Now do a two beat weave, with the right hand swinging over the left hand. As the right hand crosses over to the left side of your body, hand the left hand "poi" into your right hand so that it is in the pinky grip position of a meteor. Continue spinning a 2 beat weave with your right hand. If you did this hand off right there should be a loop of slack rope hanging out of your hand. You can enter this shortened grip from any two handed weave but just be sure you can do a meteor weave with the same degree of twist before trying to hand off a higher beat two handed weave.

Method #2

Do a two handed bf with your hands gripping either end at quarter length. Then just like the method above hand off one end so that you are doing a one handed bf. You should once again have a bit of slack rope hanging out of your hand.

Method #3

This is a variation on the first two two-handed methods. Instead of just handing one end of the meteor into the other hand do a hyperloop, buzzsaw or other move where the ends cross between your arms and twist the meteor up on itself. Then hand one of these twisted ends of the meteor into the other hand. This creates an interesting twist of rope around your hand and will take on various shapes depending on how many times you wrapped the meteor around itself. This works for both bf and weave hand offs.

Method #4

Now start as you would in the third method but this time bring only one end of the meteor between your arms so that it twists up on itself. Now instead of stopping your twist before it tangles all the way up, let the meteor wrap all the way up on itself then hand the twisted end into the hand that didn't do any twisting onto itself. Now you have one end twisted all the way up and the other free. release the twisted end and as the knot comes untwisted the meteor slowly lengthens.

Now these are just a few of the ways you can shorten your meteor during a spin. The one handed methods are definitely more traditional meteor based and the two handed variations especially the twisted versions are more poi based. Once you shorten your meteor a whole new range of planes is opened up and things like in-swings become possible.

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How thick is your rope?

2009-07-28T13:56:13Z

I've finally found a design I like for building my own fire meteor, but I am trying to decide on the diameter of the rope. Right now I have 2 practice meteors: one with 3/8" rope and the other with a thin 1/4" rope. I actually like the thinner one better, but Im not sure how that transfers over to fire meteor. So what size rope does everyone use here?

Im asking because Matthew from Flamma Aeterna advised getting the much thicker size ropes because they would be easier to grab. Im not that uncomfortable with the idea of thin rope, but I prefer to research it a little more first.

btw, the design is a Kevlar tether with a cable/rope thimble on the ends (see link: http://www.hardwareandtools.com/invt/6722110), then 1 foot of twisted oval link chain attached to Flamma Aeterna's EggPoi (see link: http://www.flammaaeterna.com/p-944-egg-fire-poi-heads.aspx)

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Meteor Tutorial: Weave Variations

2009-07-26T06:10:31Z

The companion video to my weave variations article. Comments, questions, and suggestions please!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UFDKcg1MTo

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A Treat for you all. . .videos!

2009-05-27T19:17:19Z

Wanna see some of the coolest shit I've _ever_ seen?

check out these vids that I uploaded. . . thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/user/donteatgrandma
(1-14 Rovo Double Meteor. . . .)

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Rope->Chain

2009-01-24T18:32:45Z

I posted a similar topic in the rope dart tribe, I know... but the solution that came out of that was big bulky knots, which wouldn't really work for meteor I don't think. How do you guys make this connection? I'm currently thinking of putting holes in the bungee cord i have and putting like... keychain rings through it? I don't know. I could use some help.

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contact meteor and heaviness

2008-11-09T14:04:22Z

So i'm finally hitting halos and very close to getting clean angel rolls with a meteor.

I'm wondering if anyone else here does contact meteor?

And if so, do you recommend heavier ends.... i'm thinking heavier ends will make contact easier because the meteor will PULL itself more without having my hand do it so it can travel my body easier....

just my two cents.. peace

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New Vid

2008-08-19T16:56:34Z

Thought all who spin meteor would enjoy this vid I think it is an amazing performance and shows some new ideas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUGR8IHJro

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[Double meteor] Tangles

2008-08-07T03:50:04Z

To me, tangles are one of the most interesting areas to explore with double meteor. Since you have 4 ends (I'll use the term heads) to tangle as compared to 2 with poi there is much more room for variation. So far I've found three basic relationships in regards to tangling double meteors.

The first relationship involves tangling the 2 left hand heads and 2 right hand heads at the same time. This is actually the simplest way to tangle a double meteor. It is relatively easy to do a hyperloop or airwrap like this since you do the exact same motions as you would with poi. Oh and yes these do untangle with ease and look really neat sicne all the heads shrink onto each other then expand as you end the tangle.

The second relationship is tangling only one head on the left and one head on the right. This is much more difficult then the above tangles since it requires two of the heads to keep spinning while the other two tangle. The easiest way (IMO) to try this out is to do a bf with one hand and then a weave in wall plane with the other. When the weave comes to the front wall plane get one of the ends to tangle with the downswing of one of the heads in the bf and you can get an airwrap to happen while the other heads keep spinning. I've gotten this to work with two weaves while doing a reel but it's much harder to control. The way I am most interested in tangling a double meteor is by tangling only two heads out of a weave so in theory you could do an infinite tangle with two heads while the other 2 are spinning outside your hand which would look wicked.

The third relationship which I find to be hardest is tangling two heads to only one of the other heads. This just feels awkward but when it works it sometimes looks really cool because the 2 heads tangling on the one become same time for a moment. I have only gotten this to work just a couple of times well so I don't have much to say about this relationship other then that it is possible.

Where to go from here? Well if you can master the second relationship in all of it;s variations you could eventually do some really awesomely complex patterns. For example:

Do a weave and hyperloop the thumb led head on the right hand with the pinky led on the left. After that untangles tangle the pinky led on the right with the thumb led on the left and hyperloop back across to the other side.

Another one would be tangling two heads in an airwrap after they untangle tangle the other two heads in a an airwrap and keep alternating which heads tangle i.e. likeboth thumb leds airwrap then both pinky then both thumbs.

I hope this was at least interesting. For me it's good to get these thoughts out of my head. Do any of you out there have any itneresting move ideas or thoughts on any of this. Theoretical musings are encouraged!

-Chris

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Wiki Updates

2008-07-27T05:44:57Z

Hey guys,

So I just wanted to let you know I started editing the following pages:

How to get started http://wiki.spinmeteor.org/How_to_get_started
Simple rope and weights http://wiki.spinmeteor.org/Simple_rope_and_weights
Monkey fist knot http://wiki.spinmeteor.org/Monkey_fist_knot

and I wanted to know what you guys thought. If you see something you'd like to change, add or update feel free. Singing up and editing the wiki is easy and I'll be happy to help any of you who have questions.

thanks so much!

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Meteor Documenation Wiki

2008-07-27T05:26:01Z

http://wiki.spinmeteor.org is birthed!

spinmeteor.org is intended to be a free community-written resource (wiki) for information about spinning meteor. Right now its has very little content but it's all setup and waiting to be filling with data. My hope is that by making this available people like Chris B, Robert, Squid (and the rest of us) will find it easier to store our definitions and descriptions there and then post a link in this tribe (or anywhere else).

Right now the wiki has namespaces to defined Terms, Moves and Fuels. Here are some examples:

http://wiki.spinmeteor.org/Move:Butterfly
http://wiki.spinmeteor.org/Move:5_beat_weave
http://wiki.spinmeteor.org/Move:Wrist_wrap
http://wiki.spinmeteor.org/Fuel:White_gas

The line between Terms and Moves gets a bit blurry so I'm hoping Robert, Chris B (and anyone else interested) will in helping me draw a finer line. For example should we consider "butterfly" a term and then consider "forward butterfly" and "reverse butterfly" move names? Lets discuss. =]

I hope this is something you all embrace whole heartedly. I think is has the potential to become a great resource we all can shape and share. Feel free to make your self a free account and just start adding content and if you have any questions please feel free to email me.

THANKS!!
--
Jared
Jared@deadlyicon.com

p.s. for those of you who are all gung-ho and want to start participating hardcore I have create a google group to discuss the wiki in specific. http://groups.google.com/group/spin-meteor

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Location, location, location

2008-07-21T04:45:38Z

Hey guys,
Any of you guys in the Central Coast region of Cali? I've met a few poi spinners, but no one who can really help with Meteor.

Thanks,
Eric

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[single meteor] Flowers

2008-07-11T14:46:34Z

Shit I already have two posts started why not throw in a third. So last night I was working my double meteor weaves and accidently went into a flower with my meteors. It was only for a couple of beats but I have successfully done this multiple times now so it should be possible to keep constant.

I am curious has anyone out there worked with flowers both normal and antispin with single meteor. I figure thats the best place to start since one is easier then two however I seem to have alot of trouble keeping a single meteor in plane while trying to turn flowers or keep them going one handed for any lengthy amount of time.

Any thoughts, experiences, or ideas on single meteor flowers???

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My First Meteor Vid

2008-07-11T13:44:10Z

So I shot this at 8 this morning, after a very long weekend so I am def not at my sharpest. Still, I think the video demonstrates some of the ideas and concepts I've been mentioning on here as of late and hopefully some ideas I have yet to discuss. Critiques, comments, and feedback is greatly appreciated! : )

Here's the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKiMLPWdj68

(I think that this is also my first video using a prop other then poi)

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Meteor Terminology

2008-07-09T02:28:51Z

I've noticed recently that there have been some terminology issues as of late here on the fire meteor tribe. Whether it's being unsure of correct terms, disagreements over which phrase to use for a concept, confusing ill-fit wording for descriptions, or down right that there isn't terminology yet in place to describe a particular move or idea communication is not at it's best. Would anyone like to work out some basic definitions and descriptions for at least the basic moves with me? I tend to base my descriptions on poi terminology for the simple fact that I know poi best and it's easiest for me to think in those terms. This does not mean I am opposed to using other terms, it's just how the wheels turn in my head.

I was thinking that terms for the basic weaves, bf family of moves, and that single staff like btb hand off move from low to high a fountain maybe? (<----indication of my terrible knowledge of terms) need to be clarified and decided upon. Would we use windmill and corkscrew in meteor terminology for the moves that are similar to the poi versions? For weaves will we use degrees or beats or neither? That's a good starting point I think.

What does everyone else think? Is this all just a watse of time? I think it would be a good idea. I cite the way I have been describing moves in my recent posts as an example that at least I could use some clarification on some key terms and phrases.

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[single meteor] 5 beat weave

2008-07-06T14:08:32Z

So the discussion on 3 beat weaving double meteor has gotten me to thinking. Is it possible to do a 5 beat weave with single meteor cleanly with no thru-wraps or tangling. Since I think there is a direct relationship between poi weaving and meteor weaving the relationship being a 2 beat poi weave with double meteor requires 2 2 beat meteor weaves while a 3 beat poi weave requires 2 3 beat meteor weaves. It seems to follow that to do a 5 beat poi weave with double meteor you would need to do 5 beat single meteor weaves.

Does anyone have any info on 5 beat single meteor weaves? Do you think that the only way to accomplish this is by thru-wrapping or tangling? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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[double meteor] cracking the 3 beat weave

2008-07-05T13:37:09Z

Alright so I've become near obsessed with learning a proper 3 beat with double meteor. I think that I am on the right path and have had some minor success though the move still eludes me. I've had fwd 2 beats down for a while now but up until a few weeks ago I was not able to do a true 3 beat with single meteor and therein I believe lies the key.

I think to do a 3 beat weave with double meteor you have to weave together to 3 beat single meteor weaves. This would mean when one hand crossees to the other side it's going to be pinky led and on the return it will switch back to thumb led.

i.e. As the right hand crosses over to the left side (as in a 3 beat with poi) the right hand is leading with a pinky led 3 beat while the left is following with the thumb led portion of the 3 beat. Then the left immediately switches back to pinky led to cross over to the right while the right hand follows thumb.

In my head this makes sense although I have only gotten the transition to work a handful of times. The timing is very tricky with this but once a comfortable flow is established this would be one heck of a beautiful move. I do wonder if maybe meteor, since there are 4 heads, makes doing a normal 3 beat with poi impossible and instead would need a more complicated hand/wrist/arm movement to get a similar effect. Although my intuition does tell me a traditional 3 beat weave should work.

So if any of you out there in meteorland that are comfortable with pinky led 3 beat weaves with both hands would you be willing to have a whack at this to help me test my theory? It could be that it is just not possible to do but I really don't think anything is impossible especially in the spinning arts. If my description of what I mean isn't quite clear I'd be happy to elaborate. Even if the idea of double meteor spinning doesn't appeal to you do you feel that the theory is sound? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

O' Happy Day!

-Chris

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I'm new: help with nomenclature?

2008-07-04T04:43:03Z

Hey guys,
I'm glad I found this resource for spinning meteor. The links to instructional Youtube videos are sweet. I'm curious if I could get some help with nomenclature. What exactly is a # beat-weave? Also, what are some other common move names, and can I get links to video's showing what they look like?

Thanks to Eric for letting me in on a couple secrets of meteor construction. I can practice and not worry about my meteor becoming a couple of projectiles.

the other Eric

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meteor construction

2008-06-18T07:36:25Z

Allright, Singe I know you can tell me this. I want to make a kevlar rope meteor, any recommendations on length to start and how long it should end up after the monkey fist?

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Double Meteor vid

2008-06-13T19:14:57Z

So I randomly found this vid on youtube. It shows some sick double meteorin' on fire. Man oh man I need to practice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tblYOuDwYjk

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Repost: Suibom at Firedrums.

2008-05-24T03:59:02Z

Enjoy, He's so cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuE3A4-DEW8

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new to meteor - help?

2008-05-20T14:57:14Z

so, as the title suggests, i am new to meteor. ive looked at them for awhile, and played with a practice one awhile ago. never got around to making my own... then someone gifted me a fire meteor. then i saw the dmenza video while looking for a few beginner tips... wow.

so i put together a practice meteor (so i dont totally destroy the fire set). i really have no idea what im doing with it, so the design will likely change. it is currently about 7 feet, with 5/8s inch rope. i might make it shorter, but i saw on here longer is better for contact (?), and that is where my interest is. suggestions would be welcome (stiffer rope? thinner?) im sure any which way i will figure out what i like.

the main issue though is that i have no idea what im doing. my background is only poi, and only for about a year. ive heard meteor is nothing like staff though, so should i even bother learning that, if that isnt my interest? and the poi stuff doesnt translate as well the longer rope. i know im asking a lot... but i dont need exact instruction, just an idea of where to go to figure it out for myself :)

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Beginner meteor tutorial vid (Nick Woolsey)

2008-05-17T00:08:39Z

Looks like Nick Woolsey is dabbling in Meteor spinning!

Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUeQgcIw7-w

Peace,
- Sui

posted in Fire Meteor - 3 replies

meatypoi?

2008-05-15T00:18:31Z

Hi everybody,
i have a question for yawlls. i was thinking, i could ask this same question in the poi forum, but i think there's way too many poseurs over there, unlike here in the true hardcoreness of meteor tribe.

now that i've flattered your heegos maybe you'll think about my question.

a couple years ago i was inspired by a man who came to the states from Deutchland to play for the summer, his name was andy house and some of y'alls here know and love him as i do. anyways, this man inspired me to steal a great many of his sweet, sexy and innovative poi moves, 1 dimension of which was to seamlessly grab the pois in 1 hand and do meteor style moves, a technique i've since mastered, although i'll never do anything as clean and pretty as andy...

now i'm at a point where there is nothing i would love more than to be able to seamlessly be able to link/unlink my pois such that i could do meteor throws if i wanted to, or 1 handed rotors or contact stuff what have you, you get the idea. right now what i do is just grab both in 1 hand and hold them together. if i had something on my handles that could serve to easily yet securely link them up, and just as easily unlink, i could go from poi to meteor and back to poi to my heart's content in a single performance.

now this idea is not new, and this very same andy who had already possessed a mastery back then that mere mortals could but dream uponst, had already been working on a solution and devised some sort of a loop and button system that allowed him to perform this very feat, to the shock and amazement of all who beheld it. personally, i can see how this is effective but i don't like the fact that basically it means there are no real handles on your poi.

so i would like to hear some other ideas, if you gots any. personally i use heavy, custom made metal handles, so working w/ metal is definitely an option. I have a couple of ideas myself which i will draw up and post here at some later opportunity, but i'd like to see discussion stir up some other designs that could work for this - after all, yours might be cooler and smartier.

one last point to stress is that this linking and unlinking has to be done WHILE spinning. that's kinda the whole point. if i have to stop spinning to link them up, a good 95% of the magic will quickly dissipate as i stand there, tying a knot in my chains...

posted in Fire Meteor - 15 replies

PDX Fire Jam, featuring members of the Vulcan Crew! - x-post

2008-04-29T20:40:21Z

Hey all. We were lucky enough to get Noel, Ian, Jordan, and Greg of the Vulcan Crew in Oregon to teach some workshops earlier this month. After the workshops, we all hit the Portland fire jam for fire fun and here's the result :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_nHqWAUvc

Hope you like it.

poi, staff, meteor and whips!

Peace,
- Sui

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Dmenza Contact Meteor

2008-03-24T03:35:15Z

I was waiting to see if Koothor would post here first with this video, cross posted from HOP....

Meteor people,

get to work....contact meteor goodness...

http://www.burncrewconcept.net/fr/videos/dmenza-bir-hakeim-session/voir-la-video.htm

posted in Fire Meteor - 8 replies

Finally, a video of my own.

2008-03-17T03:16:51Z

Sorry about the sound quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvPymtq_ldA

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Double Meteor and Contact Meteor?

2008-03-12T12:33:14Z

Hello, this is my first time posting in this forum so I figure I'd introduce myself. My name is Chris and I started playing with meteor about a month and a half ago and I gotta say I love it. Before picking up meteor I had been spinning poi for around 5 years and also play with staff, double staff, rope dart and just about anything that can be spun. As of late though I just can't seem to put the meteors down, I guess in a sense it's like a new challenging way to spin poi because in my mind they seem so similar, but thats not surprising seeming how all the spinning arts appear to just run together in my mind these days. Anyway onto the reason for this post.

First I was wondering if anyone has played with contact meteor or knows of any videos. Since the meteor has qualities that are similar to both poi and staff, I've been trying to incorporate contact moves inherent to those two props. So far I found I can wibble a meteor and have gotten a half steve to work once. There are also some other staff moves I do with meteor but don't know the name of them and some that are like a weird hybrid of poi and staff contact tricks.

Has anyone here played with anything like this? If so it would be great to hear your experiences or even just some ideas you might have because at the moment it's all just experimentation for me.

The other question is does anyone play with double meteor? And if so what kind of stuff do you play with? I imagine being able to do all sorts of crazy tangles and weird stall combos. Not to mention how cool off center grip stuff will look when doing double meteor. At the moment I have the fwd 2 beat weaves down but can't get the rev at all, a bunch of reels and can even do a hyperloop involving all four heads of the meteors. The possiblities are endless.

Once again if you have any thoughts or comments or know of any videos of double meteor I would love to hear them.

Thanks for reading and hopefully I'll get some good feedback from this post. Unfortunately I probably won't get online again for a few more days at the earliest so if I don't respond in a timely manner I apologize in advance. Have a wonderful weekend!

-Chris "Rovo" Bailey

posted in Fire Meteor - 12 replies

full meteor design

2008-02-28T01:34:42Z

in an effort to consolidate these discussions.. as well as some messaging between jared and I:

I'll start off with my emerging ideas for a meteor, then list a few specific questions that are still outstanding. Feel free to comment on any aspect of any of this.. I'm totally open to suggestions and collaboration. Keep in mind that these design considerations are essentially for a fire meteor, though I'm making a practice one first (partly for testing and cost, partly because I like my practice toys to emulate the instruments of fire..)

Afterwards.. I'll add a post with the conversation that Jared and I have had so far.

sooooo.. onward!

What's on my mind now:
. either a normal 4 bite monkey fist, or a moonblaze style cathedral (both from poi), with an embedded eyebolt
. wick eyebolt --> quick link --> x" length of ball-chain --> rope
. I like the idea of a sheath for the rope handle.. this might also be nice to cover the ball chain in an effort to protect the spinner
. weight, I'll leave up to the poi I end up making, but I don't see any reason to intentionally add weights of any sort, to the wicks themselves.. especially because of the ball chain.

Questions:
. type of rope for the handle
. length of ball chain (12 - 18?)
. *attachment method for ball chain <--> rope*

posted in Fire Meteor - 3 replies

meteor poi wick weight..

2008-02-27T20:55:30Z

hey folks..

so I'm working on some practice meteor - by some I mean experimenting a bit with variations on materials and (the simple) aspects of the design - thanks in part, to a lot of the information here.

One thing I can't find though, is any reference to an actual weight of the wicks folks have built, regardless of head style.. though it does seem most people are making their wicks heavier than regular poi.

so.. what do you folks suggest? my current poi wicks are about 5oz each, as a 4 bite monkey fist. I understand weight may vary from person to person.. but I'm curious how much heavier meteors tend to be, in comparison to poi.

thanks!!!

posted in Fire Meteor - 3 replies

wick attachment questions..

2008-02-27T20:53:46Z

several questions for you rockin' meteor engineers:
- what are the benefits (and cons too, I guess) of making a meteor (fire/practice doesn't matter) with a single piece of kevlar rope (such that the monkey's fists are directly *part* of the meteor, not attached in some way)?

- when making a monkey's fist as just described, should the knot be modified such that the rope doesn't come out one side, but rather in the middle of a set of fingers?

- if you weren't making the monkey's fist as part of the meteor, but instead used links and some chain, what's the best (read: most reliable, not going to *kill* someone during performance) way to attach the sucker?

I've some thoughts on the above, but I'm more than open to suggestions, as collaboration makes for faster development

; )

thanks!!

posted in Fire Meteor - 5 replies

New product design for Meteors and rope dart.

2008-02-27T01:54:27Z

I want to thank all the fire community for all the input you guys have provided to us and, and I would like to get some more feed back. Trick Concepts will be introducing Meteors and Rope Darts within the next month or so and we want to make sure we make them how you want. Our tentative plan is to offer several “poi type” fire head options for the wick, followed by 1 ft of twisted link chain and then securely attach it to a rope. Up to this point, I think it is fairly straight forward. My big question is what type of rope is preferred. I am looking at the following options:

1. Kevlar with Kevlar core.
2. Cotton bondage type rope
3. Soft braided cotton with Nylon Core
4. Cotton with steel cable core.
5. Twisted cotton

We will consider offering more than one option if there is a lot of different preferences.

Here are the advantages and disadvantages I see with each. There may be some factors I have forgotten.

1. Kevlar with Kevlar core: This is a good durable rope with medium flexibility. It is pricy, but the price is no prohibitive. I am mostly wondering if there are any undesirable properties, such as hard on the hands, etc.

2. Cotton bondage type rope: This will probably be your softest and more flexible rope. It is probably also the weakest, but at ½” diameter, it should be plenty strong.

3. Soft braided cotton with Nylon Core: This rope should be easy on the hands, and quite strong with the nylon core. This is a fairly flexible rope. I am not overly concerned with the nylon melting, because it is encased in the cotton and there will be good separation between the fire and the rope. This rope may have slight design patterns in it because it is used for nautical purposes. If the demand is sufficient, we may be able to have it custom made or dyed.

4. Cotton with steel cable core: This is a unique option because it can eliminate the link chain. The handle part can be made of soft cotton, and it can be striped down to cable on the fire ends. This makes for a continuous tool with no links, chains, knots or couplings along its length. Because of the steel core, this rope will be a bit stiffer. We currently only have this available up to 3/8” diameter, but we can probably find larger if there is a demand.

5. Twisted cotton: The twisted cotton will probably be harder on the hands and will be fairly stiff. This rope has the option of being braided back upon itself for a clean loop.

If you know of another type of rope that we have missed, let us know. We have ruled out any ropes that will melt.

What size rope is preferred? I was planning on using ½” or similar.

Do you prefer a stiffer rope or a softer rope?

Has anyone made a meteor that has a rigid handle in the middle, with chain coming out each end? I would make it from an aluminum tube for the handle and put a chuck swivel on each end. I am not sure if this has been done, but it would be like a looser version of a segmented staff.

Anyhow, this is your chance to influence our designs before we start making product. We greatly appreciate any input.

~Jaz

posted in Fire Meteor - 4 replies

[vid] meteor, double & contact staff, poi

2008-02-21T18:52:36Z

Shot back in Oct 2k7.. meteor, double staff, contact staff, poi and a wee bit o juggling. Mostly crap, but it was a bad day for spinning. I hadn't planned on releasing this, but I found some tidbits that I liked and wanted to build upon (and I think this is the only meteor vid I have) and I was compelled to release another vid (I blame the music, I love the music). Sorry the quality isn't up to par.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVrzA5P6Mk8

The rest of my vid archive:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=suibom

Peace,
- Sui

posted in Fire Meteor - 5 replies

Trick Transition

2008-02-06T17:19:47Z

Hey all,
I am really new to meteor (about 2 months) and fire art in general. The problem is everyone I know that does this kind of art is on the other side of the country from me, so I have to go about it on my own. I had a question about transitioning from one trick to another. Most of them seem fairly natural to me except for coming into and out of the helicopter. Could someone enlighten me on a way to do this smoothly without getting a face full of fire? I was thinking of going down into the helicopter perpendicular to the ground (windmill is what someone called it, I think) and then into something else. However, this seems like a long transition to get out of the helicopter. Thanks for any input you guys have.

Adamas

posted in Fire Meteor - 4 replies

rope/dart, meteor hammer vid. ???

2008-01-21T20:18:23Z

This video shows a rope dart as a dart on the end of a rope, and a meteor hammer as a large weight on the end of a rope.
Not a rope with weights on each end. Hmmmm.

Just has me wondering, because I have always thought meteor hammer was both ends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhW67MBO8M8&feature=related

posted in Fire Meteor - 2 replies

Meteor Video

2008-01-20T19:28:54Z

Not my work at all, but I thought I'd share this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI8NwSQKsFE

posted in Fire Meteor - 7 replies

massive download of meteor technique

2007-12-16T21:51:17Z

andy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXshAnHqSQo

posted in Fire Meteor - 2 replies

Instruction

2007-11-12T05:01:49Z

Any solid sources, or am I stuck learning on my own?

Is there a name other than meteor hammer I should be searching under?

posted in Fire Meteor - 5 replies

Fire Meteor Construction

2007-10-31T23:55:57Z

I've been thinking about meteor construction, and its dilemmas. The primary problem is that I don't want too much fire for my first burnable meteor, the thing is scary enough without fuel. This is a problem due to the fact that heavier meteors are just easier to spin, the more rotational momentum the better.

So, here's the quandary: how can we maximize the wick weight without having a huge amount of surface area (ie. flames), and not use a metal core for the wick that would 1) rust and 2) cause more damage than fire ever could on impact. I've got an idea or two, but I'd like to hear what other people have before I throw them out there.

posted in Fire Meteor - 5 replies

little metal doo-hickeys

2007-10-21T14:08:24Z

hey! so i gots a question.
i'm making me a new meteor, as my other one was so beaten up that it got tired and turned into a dart...heh.
so this new one i'm making is gonna be two monkey fists(with four "fingers" each side...so it's gonna be big).
my last design had kevlar rope for the rope in the middle.
but i don't have those kinds of funds right now, especially with more of my rope going to hoops.
so i'm going to put chain between the monkey fists.

my problem is that i need to attach the knots to the rope in a secure fashion the will use minimal rope.
i was thinking ideally of using metal clips.
i don't know what they are really called but they cinch the rope against itself and are tight enough to keep it there.
however i think i would need special equipment to do this.

so does anyone have any ideas as to how to attach a monkey fist to a chain via quick link?

what about sewing with kevlar thread? i worry whether it would be strong enough....

any ideas?

posted in Fire Meteor - 8 replies

sharing is fun, discuss.

2007-10-19T17:18:42Z

suibom, you're are right. this group has been dead for too long.

and i want to talk about meteors.
first of all, i an not going to transformus, and i am not going to burning man, so there (sticks tongue out).

given that, there are no meteor spinners, outside my troupe. so learning meteor in a relative vacumm, you make stuff up and then you watch jet li, jacky chan, and that other guy....what's his name?....ah bruce lee. sorry.

anywho, of the online stuff i've seen a bucha birds being kicked around and alot of wraps.

okay, now wraps are fun, i know i know. girating hips and all.

but what i'm really excited about is, uh. how exactly do i explain this?

alright so in yes, romeo must die, there is a wonderful fight scene with a fire hose as a meteor hammer. there's one part where he wraps it under one leg, grabs part of the length, and then as he unwraps his legs he lets go of the length and it hits his opponent in the face.

what i'm talking about is the grabbing a length, and shooting it.
anyone here know what i'm talking about?

look, here's my ulteior motive: i want discussion. dammit i joined this group and now i wanna talk.

so that's what i've been doing and that's why i'm telling everyone else, not because i want to keep it a secret, but because i want to talk and share and hopefully something good will come from it.

posted in Fire Meteor - 29 replies

Newbie???

2007-10-14T01:26:50Z

Hello everybody I started spinning poi in April and I am totally new to meteors. I apologize if I overlooked it somewhere...but how long is the area between the average meteor heads? Is there anywhere else I can get more info on this?

posted in Fire Meteor - 3 replies

Gathering at Burning Man?

2007-08-08T20:46:25Z

This group's been soo dead. Soo, who's going to BM and what bag of tricks are you brining?

This will be my first adventure to BM and I'm hoping to glean and share lots of info from folks. I've been working with meteors in earnest now for a couple of months and am enjoying the hell out of it. I look forward to meetin you all!

Peace,
- Sui

posted in Fire Meteor - 7 replies

LED Meteor?

2007-07-30T04:00:57Z

Tell me what you know about making LED meteors - we frequently are shut down for fire due to dry conditions around here. I need some advice on using LED poi heads in place of monkey fists; have you tried it? What worked best for you?

Thanks!

posted in Fire Meteor - 2 replies

Kevlar Rope Meteors

2007-07-28T15:19:53Z

How about building a meteor of 1/2" Kevlar Rope all the way through with both ends done into monkey fists...has anyone tried that?

posted in Fire Meteor - 2 replies

Dallas Area: Skill Toys in the Park

2007-06-08T16:12:46Z

Creativity in Motion: A day to Play!

Skill Toys in the park. 7-7-7 All Day!

We're having a get together for skill toy lovers in the Dallas Fort Worth area. Hula Hoops, Poi, Flag, Staff, hacky sacks, whatever...come one come all!

Here's the tribe with the information as it comes together. http://tribes.tribe.net/creativityinmotion

Check out our e-flyer in the photo gallery.

posted in Fire Meteor - 0 replies

Anyone know where to buy some good fire meteors?

2007-05-25T17:07:08Z

posted in Fire Meteor - 17 replies

For those heading to FireDrums

2007-05-01T16:04:57Z

If you are coming to FireDrums this weekend, please take a moment to read this very important message.
http://firedrums.tribe.net/thread/b0a73e1e-2f4b-4717-afa1-f24e219b81f4
And if you're not coming, have an awesome Cinco de Mayo weekend!
http://firedrums.tribe.net

posted in Fire Meteor - 0 replies

Meteors in Media

2007-04-09T17:59:21Z

I am always looking for new and interesting ways to explain my meteors, or to "borrow" tricks from items like rope dart or bolas.
Here are two examples I use:
Go-Go Yabari from Kill Bill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gogo_Yubari

And General Guangming from "The Promise" in the first battle scene
http://www.hiroyukisanada.com/Article-WuJi.html

How about you?

posted in Fire Meteor - 1 reply

I'm new to spining all together. help

2007-04-05T05:04:47Z

So iv been spining meteor for six days today. Iv got my own Meteor that i made. its got tripple kevlar rope heads on each end, witch is hooked to dog chain and then i have about a 2 ft srip of nylon in the middle (witch is great on the hands by the way).
Is there any kind of hits or things i can do to get better, any tricks (a how to) that any of you can give me?
so far i can do half/full/tripple spins right handed.
half/full spins with left hand.
transfer left and right hand.
and half/full spins with left and right backwards.
i can also do the helicopter thing, and almost throw it up.
i can only do helicopter if i start that way i cant spin into it or out of it.
so were do i go from here?

posted in Fire Meteor - 3 replies

Monkey see Monkey do

2007-03-01T01:11:08Z

Hey everyone. I've Starting construction for a practice meteor, even though my dryer is broken again I started using my clothesline to practice make monkey fist knots last night. I switched to a light nylon cord after half an hour. How do you guys effectively tighten (and keep even) the strands?

I've noticed in my three strand monkey fist (wrapped around an old marble) there were pretty big gaps. In the five strand wrapped around a bouncy ball I had a difficult time getting everything perfectly symmetrical. Is it just a matter of practice and taking time to pull each strand tight and adjust consistantly throughout or does anyone have any tricks? The five strand monkey fist looks pretty nifty until you start comparing each of the sections and notice the strands even in one section don't always have the same length.

posted in Fire Meteor - 5 replies

new guy

2007-02-18T14:17:03Z

hey im new to the tribe site and new to the fire meteor, or the meteor at all, i am also interested in fire whip with prior whip knowlege. in anycase i wanted to know if any of you have advice on buying making and using a meteor/ fire. awaiting your replies eagerly : )

posted in Fire Meteor - 12 replies

Rope or chain?

2006-12-05T20:10:21Z

I'm new to meteor and I'm really interested in learning to make one. I spin poi and one thing I like about it is the flexibility. I'd like to ask all you more experienced spinners if you prefer kevlar rope over chain. I assume ball chain is heavier and far more droopy (flexible), thus not the best for horizontal moves...

posted in Fire Meteor - 13 replies

Need help..

2006-10-24T17:30:26Z

Hi ! I'm a french,
I begin the meteor (1 month)
But i don't understand this operation
I don't found large thing about the tricks
Somebody can help ?
Just tricks of base ?

thank.

posted in Fire Meteor - 7 replies

BM Meteor Workshop

2006-10-24T17:24:58Z

OK so i am officially a lame ass!

I scheduled to teach at and hold two meteor workshops on the playa this year. the first one was awesome, I taught a lot of newbies enough basics for them to keep practicing and discovering on there own. but unfortunately no one with any real meteor knowledge showed up.

then on the morning of the second workshop i was too cracked out to attend. thankfully it was heal without me and judging by these videos i just found there was some pretty good attendees

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=meteor+workshop+at+bm&search=Search

anyone know these kids? are they in the tribe?

--
Lame Ass

posted in Fire Meteor - 5 replies

New Fire Meteor Video...

2006-10-23T02:20:29Z

I finaly put together an all meteor vid...
Check it out... Let me know what you think.
One love,
-Dee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQgch5-kiSs

posted in Fire Meteor - 12 replies

meteor noob moving from poi

2006-08-30T23:41:17Z

so i've been having this yearning to play with a meteor and i decided to combine my sock poi together (my weight is exact to 4 foot long two inch wide cathadral poi heads with an i ring) it's around four feet long and i'm about 5 11, is that good weight and size are the combined sock poi a decent design or will playing with this toy i made help my or hurt my growth in the meteor realm.
also, what are good beginning moves with a meteor... i already do this one hand weave like thing (like the 3 beat weave of poi but slightly different) and i also have this left hand contact spin around spin around that's alot like a contact staff move which i then throw over to the other side before my hand touched the ends and or wicks.... anyways back to the point
what are some basic moves and if you guys think my design is nasty where are there webpages that show how to make those monkey fist ropes?

thanks for the help

- L

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Contact meteor?

2006-08-23T02:06:07Z

Anyone else playing with this? There's alot of peeps up here in Seattle doing horizontal contact(weaving around the body, thru the legs, etc), I play around more with vertical contact as well, seems to be a slightly larger family of moves than horizontal.

btw, hello, new to the tribe ere :)

posted in Fire Meteor - 18 replies

Meteor Videos

2006-08-14T20:22:30Z

Id like to see some more meteor videos on the web. I have only seen one. I know enough to put a well made basics video up. I hear there are some crazy kick ass kids in Seattle that I would love to see.

Whos down to make some vids?

musashi?

posted in Fire Meteor - 8 replies

Burningman Meteor Workshop Schedule

2006-08-05T00:37:20Z

I just posted the bm events for the meteor workshops. They are....

12-2pm Tuesday and Friday at camp Dance Dance Immolation

Be there with your balls on!

posted in Fire Meteor - 13 replies

hey

2006-08-04T16:35:47Z

im completely new to meteor spinning im pretty good with a pair of poi and can do most of my poi tricks with the meteor i made but im wonderin how on earth you do those one handed tricks i.e. how do you hold where do you hold it etc. any help at all would be appreciated thanks.

posted in Fire Meteor - 0 replies

FireDrums IV Sept 28 - Oct 1

2006-07-31T00:35:10Z

http://firedrums.tribe.net/thread/9b3ffac0-4268-43ff-ab20-62784aa1490e
Please check out this thread and join us for the 4th FireDrums gathering in the beautiful Santa Cruz Mountains September 28th thru October 1st.

posted in Fire Meteor - 0 replies

free meteor workshop ?

2006-07-28T16:15:46Z

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in learning or teaching meteor in a work shop in the bay area some time in the near future?

I was thinking of maybe just holding the workshop at a nimby jam one of these sunday nights. or we could do something during the day on say hippie hill some sunday afternoon?

I would love to teach anyone for free even if you've never touched a meteor before. We could even cover how to make a simple cheap practice meteor out of some rope and weights.

anyone interested?
any suggestions?

Let me know if you'd be interested and ill solidify a date and time.

Jared
jared@deadlyicon.com
415 574 8221

posted in Fire Meteor - 21 replies

Meteor Gathering At Burning-man 2006

2006-07-16T01:37:48Z

So this is mainly just to start getting the ball rolling, nothing formal here.

Meteor Gathering:

where? Center Camp?
What time?
What Day?

what are your thoughts?

Id love to see something like Wednesday, 1pm, center camp.

Anybody interested wanna help decide and get the word out?

See you there
SINGE

posted in Fire Meteor - 7 replies

The Meteor Book

2006-04-11T14:44:24Z

www.foreworks.com/sparrow.html

The Meteor Book
Construction, Manipulation, Performance.
Rhys Thomas.

--

I have a copy of this book (possibly the older edition) I have learned everything I can from it so this book is really just for beginers but in all reality you can probably get better help from us then this book but I thought I would post it anyway.

posted in Fire Meteor - 9 replies

Websites with Meteor techniques?

2005-12-17T04:30:14Z

So I am a brand newbie of the meteor. I have been spinning the staff for about a year and I am very intrigued with the meteor. Are there any websites/links you have for videos and/or step by step explanation of the moves? Also, any of you live in Portland, OR? I have only seen a few people doing meteor down here.

posted in Fire Meteor - 8 replies

Meteor or rope dart in Australia

2005-12-17T02:23:21Z

Been doing meteor and rope dart for a year now, just wondering if there's anyone else in Australia, and particularly Melbourne from which to learn and share tricks.

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Meteor Munchausen

2005-12-16T19:50:02Z

I know this is just a hilariously boasty message, but I just got a few catches of a new trick and I think it's terrific.
Throw a helicopter, and while it is in the air above you get into the position in the middle of a behind-the-back transfer for a helicopter (bent over forwards with hands behind). Use the recieving hand (depending upon the rotation) to catch behind the back while using the other hand to protect your face or cover your eyes. SUPER CRAZY.
It's basically throwing a big horizontal circle, then catching it behind your back while bending over with your eyes closed. I'd love to prove it's not a joke, but can't make it to BM this year. Anybody else working on trick catches? I think staff people do this kinda thing, right?
I'll be in the bay area this September for a while though. Meteor Jam Decompression?

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update

2005-12-02T03:41:07Z

We hate to announce but the event, Burning Down the House, is being rescheduled due to unforeseen and uncontrollable technical difficulties. New dates will be announced shortly. We apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. If there is any questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to email us at burningdownthehouse1@yahoo.com

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burning down the house party

2005-12-02T03:40:52Z

Burning Down the House
December 9-11
Everyone is invited to the biggest burn party of the year. This is a three-day, two night event. There is plenty of space for camping, partying, burning, ect. No matter how you burn, what you burn, or your experience we welcome all. This is an opportunity for the entire fire community to get together and unite for a major event. If all is successful we hope to make this an annual get together for everyone to enjoy. There will be a feast on Saturday for those who are interested.

Please R.S.V.P with:
Real Name, Burn Name, Group Name, Group Safety’s, what you will be burning with
Site Fee: $10
($5 a day)
Feast Fee: $10
Location: 6734 Nth El Mirage rd Glendale AZ. 85307 - Luke Air Force Base Area
There will be a map and a list of site rules given when r.s.v.p.
R.S.V.P. to burningdownthehouse1@yahoo.com

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how long??

2005-11-27T08:23:06Z

hi all!

im new to this tribe, and pretty much new to meteors too (some one showed me a bit in august, and then i got my own set about a month ago)

my question is; about how long did it take for yall to get relatively proficient at meteors. i do staff and poi, and neither took me this long to catch on to. with meteor so far i have only about five "tricks" (helicoptor, btb helicoptor, one handed butterfly, 1h fig 8s, and windmills....each taking a very long time to "get") and pretty much no transitions. is this normal??? or are meteors just not my thing, and i should go back to poi, lol. how long have yall been spinning meteors? and how long did it take for you to be mildly decent at it?

thanks!

erica

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SF Visit: Meteor Jam?

2005-09-24T00:28:49Z

Hey everyfolks, I'm visiting the bay area tomorrow for a week and would love to see some meteor spinners or jam etc. Do you folk go to any of the jam sessions that occur, like NIMBY or the one in golden gate park? Let me know what's up.
START OF PLUG
In related news, COME SEE MY CIRCUS. I'm not in the show per se, but come see us. circuschimera.com A highly great one ring circus in a real tent (but no real animals) that costs less than a movie.
END OF PLUG

Later,
Jim

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Orisinal

2005-09-24T00:21:00Z

Bored at working? Can't sleep? Nothing to do? Don't have time to put fuel into wicks & fire it up? And reading this message?

If yes, then you using a computer!

Go and play with fire on computer!

http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g2/aim.htm

http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g2/dragon.htm

More games - http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/

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Meteors in Seattle

2005-09-23T23:26:53Z

Aloha everybody, I'm in the Seattle area now, and will remain here for a few months. If any of you are passing through or live here (Musashi?), I'd love to get together for some spinning. Let me know...

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Rope Dart & Meteor Gathering at Burningman

2005-08-26T05:16:58Z

Rope Dart & Meteor Gathering at Burningman

Everyone spins poi or staff but there are not a lot of us meteor and dart people out there. I would love to take advantage of burningman to learn and teach what we know.

Id like to arrange a Rope Dart & Meteor Gathering on thursday durring the day. Hopefully in a large shade structure of some kind, we're not going to get much done in the hot sun.

If anyone has any suggestions of were we might hold this little gathering of large swinging objects let me know and I'll repost when we find a good place.

Thanks for the help, hope to meet you all soon

SINGE

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mobility

2005-07-15T21:15:44Z

So, in general, how much do y'all move around while spinning your meteor? (walking, running, rotating, somersaulting, etc) I'm usually pretty much in one spot, and rotate around a bit. I've seen the women of the Shanghai Circus do somesaults, and move around a fair amount. It seems like rotating can allow you to get your rope spinning really fast, and allow you to unwind the wraps as they are wrapping. This is quite handy when attempting to avoid garroting oneself. ^_^

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one handed overhead rotor

2005-07-15T21:02:57Z

in the last couple of days Musashi had the chance to show me a few contact meteor moves and the horizontal one handed rotor. (thanks again!)

The trick to it was the placement of your hand near the 2/3 mark toward one end rather then in the center. This really helped a lot when pushing the meteor around with two finders and then letting it roll around the back side to get pushed around again.

This of center placement make your torer look of center (cuz it is) and to some cherries out there it looks bad. However, when you slide even a few inches out of this sweet spot your meteorb looses its splay in one direction of the other so you can imagin how trying to pull this off closer to the middle is hard.

This is different then the way Lareina taught me (over some toast) to do the two handed horizontal rotor. Its also different from the way I have seen the virticle one handed rotor. Both seem to be done just off the center like most moves.

Mushashi also apears to do the two handed horizontal roter more off to one side rather then tighter in the center where I find my sweet spot.

has onyone been able to pull this off with one hand in the same (more central) position that some of us are used to??

I would love to have a mote evenly splayed out over the head rotor rather then sucha wobely concusion machine =]

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BM Meteor meeting

2005-07-15T20:56:30Z

There are not many of us out there I am seeing but like must of us in the fire spinning comunity we all seem to be burners. (I know I have posted this before but)

we should all schedule a time to meet up at burningman and share tricks. ID also love to just hit the esplanod one or two nights and have a meteor based fire circle. Maybe if we get some throws down we can spin it up showlyn style and and all pass a few meteors around. something like 5 spinners and two meteors busting out and hand or toss passing. eeh eeeh? =]

you down?
suggested location?
time?

SINGE

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throwing the meteor

2005-06-16T19:58:12Z

I went to see the Shanghai Circus the other day, and there were six chinese women spinning the meteor (not on fire), and they threw them in the air! They could throw them straight up, and catch it themselves, or throw them to each other. Also, they could go down on the ground, lying on their back, and kick it way up into the air. I was impressed. I've been experimenting and found that if you spin it relatively fast, and then just sort of push upwards, that it will fly off your hand and up into the air. If you push in the middle it goes staright up, and if you push from off center, then it flies away from you in an arc. Catching it is tough (for me...). Any of you have experience with this? Any suggestions?

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workshop

2005-06-08T21:24:55Z

I propose that we have a meteor and fire rope dart workshop in hawaii at some point this fall, maybe preburning man? This is completely a late night off the top of my head proposal but it would be alot of fun, a few intensive meteor days.

Lareina

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Meteors at Burningman

2005-05-28T04:54:13Z

We oughta all meet up in BRC one night and have a massive meteor spin jam!?! Anybody up for it?

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tribe picture

2005-05-25T18:27:47Z

so i posted a random cool fire picture when I started the tribe so we would have something but its not a meteor and it really should be.

anyone got ANY meteor picture(s) to post?

.... oh ya WELCOME!!

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